Okay. By this point I am just of sick of this argument as the rest of you, even though I am the one who started it. This will be my
last post on this subject, so if anyone responds with another "this is so boring" post, just know that
you are now the one continuing it, not
me.
Darkstorne wrote:
There's a flip-side to this argument as well, of course. These guys are spending countless hours of their free time working on crafting beautiful screenshots and lighting. It may be from a free source, but that doesn't mean their work from it should also be free when they've put so much time into it.
What does
time have to do with it, Darkstorne? Your argument is: "I spent a long time working on my config--therefore I can't share it with anyone"? That argument makes
no sense. Whether you spend a day, a week, or a year working on your config--how does it hurt you to share it with someone else? In what way, exactly, does that lesson your accomplishment or take something away from you?
Darkstorne wrote:
Epic has a free version of their Unreal engine - that doesn't mean anything created with the open source Unreal should therefore be free for everyone else to enjoy. Scirra Construct is a free engine I'm using to make a game myself - that doesn't mean I should be forced to sell my game for free.
There is a GIGANTIC hole in your argument. Epic is a
for profit business. Of course if you are making a game to
sell, then you can not just
give it away, because that would
hurt you financially. I have asked repeatedly how it could possibly hurt someone to share their enb config with someone else, and have yet to receive a coherent answer. Probably because there isn't one. Or are you implying that some posters here have plans to
sell their configs? Then yes, they would be damaged financially. But I would be very,
very surprised to hear that anyone here is planning to sell his config.
Darkstorne wrote:
Yes, Gionight and Unreal wouldn't be posting shots like this at all if it wasn't for Boris. But that's not reason enough to say that they MUST release their work for others to enjoy. They are releasing screenshots for others to enjoy, and god damn it I really do enjoy them. Especially Unreal's. But I'm not magically entitled to their work for free, just because the source was free. That's not very mature, and is actually quite rude.
You have it exactly backwards. To be the beneficiary of someone's else's generosity--in this case, Boris's--and then to turn around and choose not to be generous with others for no good reason is both immature and rude.
DogStar wrote:
I don't think hassling, name calling etc, etc, will make anyone more inclined to release something, quite the opposite.
I agree with you, DogStar. But then again I'm not
trying to get someone to release something. There are people being selfish in a very specific way, I pointed out that they were being selfish, and I asked them
why they were being selfish (okay, I called them some names too.) I never thought this would make them magically become more generous. The ironic thing is, for the most part, I tend
not to like the work of people who post a billion shots of their configs but refuse to share them. As with most very "popular" things they tend to have a look I don't like. I will admit I would like to try Unreal's config. But that is about it.
DogStar wrote:
I know from doing this myself, that sometimes there is not a releasable 'end-point', no 'finished', just a flux of trial and error, and changing things to fit different situations, sometimes it works, sometimes its a fuck-up... and sometimes if you do put things out there, you get no thanks, no feed-back, or people moaning that it does not look anything the screenshots on their PC.
Sure. I got all that and more when I released my GTA IV config. 600+ downloads and maybe two comments. And yes, some people would say "It doesn't look like it does in your screenshots." Sometimes I would try to help them figure out why it looked different, sometimes I wouldn't. But it never
hurt me. It never made me say: "Well, some people say my config doesn't look the same on their system, so I will never release my config again." I just shrugged it off. I was still happy that there were people who it
did work for, and left it at that. I didn't feel that I or my config had been "damaged" in some way. I don't know--maybe I'm just "tougher" than other people.
Unreal wrote:
And when i say is WIP, i mean IS WIP.
I dont want to release something unfinished, that's all.
And that's perfectly fine, Unreal. As I said before--wanting to make your config as good as it can be before releasing
it is not the same as never intending to release it in the first place. Those are two very different things.
zombini wrote:
haints:i understand your point, but sadly everyone has the right to be "selfish". Gio has his reasons for not sharing his work. The good thing about the ENb community is that there are other folks that are willing to share their work to others. We just have to accept that.
Which is where I will leave it, zombini. While I might say everyone has the "ability" to be selfish, rather than the
right to be, I agree that at some point you just have to accept that they
will be that way, no matter what. I'd like to know
why they choose to be selfish, but I have asked, and no one has directly answered my question, so I will just have to accept that fact that I will never know ...
And that is that.