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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 06:49 
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Gionight, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU HAD REFUSED TO RELEASE YOUR CONFIG!

So, please explain how my comment could possibly have been "obviously addressed" to you


Even if you didn't know it, it's still doesn't gives you right to call me or any other member here a Dick or use some other bad wording .
Just can't stand this kind of behaver no matter where be it Internet or real life.
I spent almost all my free time recently to adjust ENB and make that pics for everyone to enjoy, and I don't think I deserve so harsh response .
Think about it.


I have thought about it, Gionight. I explained my thinking in my prior post on this subject.

Boris created ENB. He gives it away to everyone for free. Now let's say "Bob" takes it, makes some changes, and repeatedly posts screenshots of those changes, seeking admiration from others. Someone else comes along, and says: "Hey Bob, those screenshots look great! Can I try your config?" and Bob says: "No, you can't try it. I'm not going to share it with anyone." ... even though the only reason Bob has a config in the first place is because Boris chose to share his own work. So ... what else would you call Bob but a dick? Or, if you don't like bad words, then how about "selfish?" You would have to agree that "Bob" is being pretty selfish, no?

Seriously, I want to know, Gionight, since you say you are one of these people who won't share their config. What justification is there for refusing to share something that someone else shared with you? Something that you innitially got for free and that you will not lose if you share with others?

How does it hurt you, to share?

And if you really aren't going to share, if it is really all for yourself... then why not just keep it all to yourself? Why post screenshots seeking the envy and admiration of others?

I just don't understand this.


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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 08:47 
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Tweaked my old config a bit to make it look good with CoT (still running on 0.112Kage).

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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 09:57 
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haints wrote:
Boris created ENB. He gives it away to everyone for free. Now let's say "Bob" takes it, makes some changes, and repeatedly posts screenshots of those changes, seeking admiration from others. Someone else comes along, and says: "Hey Bob, those screenshots look great! Can I try your config?" and Bob says: "No, you can't try it. I'm not going to share it with anyone." ... even though the only reason Bob has a config in the first place is because Boris chose to share his own work. So ... what else would you call Bob but a dick? Or, if you don't like bad words, then how about "selfish?" You would have to agree that "Bob" is being pretty selfish, no?


There's a flip-side to this argument as well, of course. These guys are spending countless hours of their free time working on crafting beautiful screenshots and lighting. It may be from a free source, but that doesn't mean their work from it should also be free when they've put so much time into it. Epic has a free version of their Unreal engine - that doesn't mean anything created with the open source Unreal should therefore be free for everyone else to enjoy. Scirra Construct is a free engine I'm using to make a game myself - that doesn't mean I should be forced to sell my game for free.

Yes, Gionight and Unreal wouldn't be posting shots like this at all if it wasn't for Boris. But that's not reason enough to say that they MUST release their work for others to enjoy. They are releasing screenshots for others to enjoy, and god damn it I really do enjoy them. Especially Unreal's. But I'm not magically entitled to their work for free, just because the source was free. That's not very mature, and is actually quite rude.


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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 10:09 
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haints:i understand your point, but sadly everyone has the right to be "selfish". Gio has his reasons for not sharing his work. The good thing about the ENb community is that there are other folks that are willing to share their work to others. We just have to accept that.


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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 10:46 
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Darkstorne wrote:
.....But I'm not magically entitled to their work for free, just because the source was free. That's not very mature, and is actually quite rude.


Absolutely... and all this is getting quite boring.

If someone wants to release something, then fine... if not, equally fine. I don't think hassling, name calling etc, etc, will make anyone more inclined to release something, quite the opposite.

I know from doing this myself, that sometimes there is not a releasable 'end-point', no 'finished', just a flux of trial and error, and changing things to fit different situations, sometimes it works, sometimes its a fuck-up... and sometimes if you do put things out there, you get no thanks, no feed-back, or people moaning that it does not look anything the screenshots on their PC.

Anyway, more screens and less moaning please :D


Oh, and thank you for your comments Gio, I do appreciate it :)

...And when are you going to release your config???? :lol: ;)

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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 10:55 
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DogStar wrote:
I don't think hassling, name calling etc, etc, will make anyone more inclined to release something, quite the opposite.


This :P

And when i say is WIP, i mean IS WIP.

I dont want to release something unfinished, that's all.

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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 11:06 
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Scarlet ENB/Race WIP Casandra

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improved overall detail response under different light conditions, no pp sharpening no negative lod yet :)

PS: Here some of iCELaGlacE PP work on the Brigade Fast Path Trace Renderer :)

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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 12:40 
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First, pickshurs (sorry if I repost any; kind of forgot what ones I already put up here rofl)

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Now then, I figure if they don't wanna release what they worked on then, whatever

but there also could be the issue of "unique snowflake" wherein you dont want anybody else's stuff to look like yours so you don't want it released because you want to be the only person who looks that way (people do this all the time, sometimes bad and sometimes good but overall it's just whatever)

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 Post subject: Re: TES Skyrim
PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012, 13:52 
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Great pictures everyone!

Sorry for the lack of screenshots from my part. Having huge computer and time problems at the moment.. but I'll be back!

Took this one in riverwood, nothing special, but still :)

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