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 Post subject: Skyrim saving ENB data?
PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 08:30 
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Hello,

As tittle says...

a) Does Skyrim stores any of the ENB client / preset information when doing a save game? (maybe skse). Asking this because these days i have been doing different tests and combinations of clients and presets and now i can't load a save game with Grim and somber enb preset (i get a CTD). I can start a new game with no problem, but i cannot manage to load my current game (indoors, outdoors, you name it). I am stuck with realvision if i want to keep playing.

b) Is there a chance i can get ENB 0.279 d3d9.dll? It's no longer available for download and i would like to test performance with realvision preset that it was built for that version of ENB

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 Post subject: Re: I have 2 questions
PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 08:40 
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I fixed the title for you.

A) No. When switching presets are you using the same enblocal.ini, though? You should.

B) Here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/894 ... _v0279.zip

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 Post subject: Re: I have 2 questions
PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 09:19 
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mindflux wrote:
I fixed the title for you.

A) No. When switching presets are you using the same enblocal.ini, though? You should.

B) Here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/894 ... _v0279.zip



Ty for the ENB dll!

No, i do not use the same enblocal ini because the preset works differently. One uses ProxyLibrary=d3d9_smaa.dll (realvision), the other (grim and somber) does not.
They have the same information here


[MEMORY]
ExpandSystemMemoryX64=true
ReduceSystemMemoryUsage=true
DisableDriverMemoryManager=false
DisablePreloadToVRAM=false
EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=false
ReservedMemorySizeMb=256
VideoMemorySizeMb=2048
EnableCompression=false
AutodetectVideoMemorySize=false


But they differ in others sections. I attached the enblocal.ini of each presets if you want to take peek. I am a real noob regarding ENB moding, i just understand enough of it to change presets and adjust some direct / ambient lighting but thats about it. Generally i follow the preset creator recomendations about the settings

Weird is that i was able to switch from one to the other with no problem yesterday (remember the waterfall screenshots?)

EDIT: files deleted


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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 09:27 
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The thing is that you should have your own enblocal.ini that has been customized for your system and/or performance preference.

The preset that causes a crash, does it work if you use the enblocal.ini from the preset that is working?

Also, are you absolutely sure you cleaned the folders completely (including enbseries) while switching presets?

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mindflux wrote:
The thing is that you should have your own enblocal.ini that has been customized for your system and/or performance preference.

The preset that causes a crash, does it work if you use the enblocal.ini from the preset that is working?

Also, are you absolutely sure you cleaned the folders completely (including enbseries) while switching presets?


I usually use either realvision or Grim and somber, i cant use the same enblocal.ini because the first uses a proxy dll, not the default dll, so if i keep the same enblocal.ini it shouldnt work.
Also, since i am a noob, i do not know how to taylor make my own enblocal.ini since i have no knowledge of what to keep from one or other preset (i manage myself to learn the memory settings basics, but thats it).

For switching presets I use a program called FXAA ENB manager, that automaticaly deletes all enb files and folders :)


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Thanks for fielding questions Mindflux :-)

As I indicate on the preset page everyone needs to do their own enblocal. I am starting to remove them from all the presets and only providing a PDF file template. Just takes time to upload them all and since I need to update them to 305 I am doing it at the same time. Only done Vaermina so far.

Anyhow none of the GS presets use the proxy at all as I don't use SweetFX or any other injector with them as the instructions clearly outline on the page. I have a link to the STEP explanations on my comments section which, while not always completely accurate, do help a beginner with all the basics and a good place to read up on things. This page has all the stuff on enbloacl.ini: http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:ENBlocal_INI

Keep in mind that depending on what binary you use there may be differences. When in doubt all you need to do is get a copy of the enblocal.ini default that comes with the binary file download and for the ENB preset you are using and then compare it to the one you have and update as needed. I personally keep a bunch of enblocal.ini files for each binary I use and give them simple names like enblocal_221.ini, enblocal_279.ini, and enblocal_305.ini. So if I use a preset that is using binary 279 I can just copy my enblocal_279.ini into the skyrim directory and rename it to enblocal.ini.

I do not recommend using ENB managers myself, especially for new users. It prevents new users from understanding how to install things and what to look for. Instead do it manually until you know how it works and what files to use. Then when comfortable use a manager if you find it quicker.

It is possible some files are getting missed in the install/uninstall.

My preset page has very clear instructions for installing and using a preset. Also if you using 305 binary you may need to change the THREAD section to match your set up. The link to STEP I provided will give the basics. Boris also has a NEXUS page with instructions and if you read the comments you can get some tips.

Spend a few hours of training yourself now and it will pay off later when you understand things and it becomes a lot easier to use presets. Well worth a small investment in time to read some things.

EDIT: Also I find a lot of people make spurious correlations between events when they are not really related. A prime example is people switch ENB presets and start to crash and blame the preset. Only to discover later that when they switched presets that also changed some mods and the mod changes created the crash or they did some other change on their PC that they forgot about.

Another great example - just the other day people all over started complaining about issues with ENB and SweetFX only to discover that Steam released a patch and those using steam overlay UI had their graphics with ENB screwed up if they also used SFX. Often there are other things going on that cause events and not just what looks obvious.

Of course sometimes it is also the obvious reason ... but if it was working one day and not the next ... well then something changed and it most likely wasn't the presets or the binary unless you know you were using a newly updated one.

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Wolfgrimdark above makes a lot of very good points above. Also be very careful about plugin requirements that some presets have, many of the popular plugins like those related to COT have a lot dependencies. This in turn may cause an issue if you switch presets and change plugins since it may corrupt your save game especially if the plugins has any scripts. You can check whether the problem is in your save game by using console command 'coc' to teleport to the location where you saved your game and test whether the game crashes.

As for using enblocal.ini from the other preset you can simply copy/paste the proxy section. Furthermore, the proxy is not needed for the preset to work, it will just not look like what the author intended.

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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 15:45 
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Wolfgrimdark

Thanks for taking the time to reply in such detail. A few comments on your words tho:

wolfgrimdark wrote:
Anyhow none of the GS presets use the proxy at all as I don't use SweetFX or any other injector with them as the instructions clearly outline on the page.


I know that, is realvision ENB preset the one that uses proxy :)

wolfgrimdark wrote:
I have a link to the STEP explanations on my comments section which, while not always completely accurate, do help a beginner with all the basics and a good place to read up on things. This page has all the stuff on enbloacl.ini: http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:ENBlocal_INI


Thanks for the link. In light of such fast and kind replies the least i can do is take a look whenever i can and try to learn!


wolfgrimdark wrote:
Thanks for fielding questions Mindflux :-)
Keep in mind that depending on what binary you use there may be differences. When in doubt all you need to do is get a copy of the enblocal.ini default that comes with the binary file download and for the ENB preset you are using and then compare it to the one you have and update as needed. I personally keep a bunch of enblocal.ini files for each binary I use and give them simple names like enblocal_221.ini, enblocal_279.ini, and enblocal_305.ini. So if I use a preset that is using binary 279 I can just copy my enblocal_279.ini into the skyrim directory and rename it to enblocal.ini.

I do not recommend using ENB managers myself, especially for new users. It prevents new users from understanding how to install things and what to look for. Instead do it manually until you know how it works and what files to use. Then when comfortable use a manager if you find it quicker.



This is important. I might be using presets that were created for old enb clients, such as 279, 290, etc with newer ones (292 / 303). I guess that using an enblocal for (let's say) 0.303 with 0.292 dll will make the game crash or not work properly, tho i am not sure if it would happen the same the other way around (using an enblocal for 0.279 with a 0.303 dll, wich i think it has been my case).
I played about 1 year changing ENB preset / clients manually, but when i went on a "i want to try them all" spree i decided to use the manager since it was faster to do.


wolfgrimdark wrote:
My preset page has very clear instructions for installing and using a preset. Also if you using 305 binary you may need to change the THREAD section to match your set up. The link to STEP I provided will give the basics. Boris also has a NEXUS page with instructions and if you read the comments you can get some tips.

Spend a few hours of training yourself now and it will pay off later when you understand things and it becomes a lot easier to use presets. Well worth a small investment in time to read some things.

EDIT: Also I find a lot of people make spurious correlations between events when they are not really related. A prime example is people switch ENB presets and start to crash and blame the preset. Only to discover later that when they switched presets that also changed some mods and the mod changes created the crash or they did some other change on their PC that they forgot about.

Another great example - just the other day people all over started complaining about issues with ENB and SweetFX only to discover that Steam released a patch and those using steam overlay UI had their graphics with ENB screwed up if they also used SFX. Often there are other things going on that cause events and not just what looks obvious.

Of course sometimes it is also the obvious reason ... but if it was working one day and not the next ... well then something changed and it most likely wasn't the presets or the binary unless you know you were using a newly updated one.


You are quite right about that! That's why i always ask politely if it "could" be the reason or not. In my case i found that using older nvidia drivers and older enb d3d9.dll worked better on my presets, tho i really can not tell the technical reasons for such behaviour :)


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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 16:56 
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I have been reading the guide you posted and now i have more questions than before. :lol:

Would either of you mind if i open a new thread with all my doubts?


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PostPosted: 12 Mar 2016, 17:50 
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Sure, please go on and open a new thread if your questions don't fall under the current topic.

Also remember to use the search, many of the questions may have been asked and consequently answered before.

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